Mom is furious after teacher embarrasses her 7th grader in front of classmates by forcing her to apologize publicly for being “bossy” during a group project

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  • Female teacher standing beside a flip chart, explaining lesson objectives while teaching children in a classroom setting.
  • Teacher shamed my 7th grader in front of her classmates, and I'm seething. Am I overreacting?

    To start with, I respect teachers, and the work they do is amazing and very, very difficult.
  • I couldn't do it. If I find out that one of my kids has been ride or disrespectful in school, they have to write an apology letter, and there are other consequences at home (my 5th grader is in trouble as we type for disrupting their class).
  • I put this here to say that this isn't about teachers in general. I have just come to seriously dislike this one teacher and right now I'm furious and loaded for bear.
  • There have been issues with this teacher before that I'm not going to get into, and it's not just my kid.
  • It's \all\ the kids. I even googled her and found identical complaints about her teaching from when she used to teach high school (she's inconsistent, dishonest, gave the literal same assignment a C one week and an A the next when a kid handed it in twice in a row because her grades were so arbitrary and divorced from effort, loses kids' work and then blames the kids, etc.).
  • Elementary school students working together at a classroom table, smiling girl raising her hand while classmates write and draw on paper during group activity.
  • This is also not about that. This is about what happened with my kiddo's group project, and how her teacher shamed her in front of her classmates today.
  • I'm not going to write the whole d in story again (I just spent three hours going through the version history of their group google doc and typing up a timeline for when I go in and talk to this teacher and the principal tomorrow), so I'm just going to copy and paste the timeline I already wrote, with all names changed.
  • This happened during a whole-floor celebration at the end of the day, so the kids were free to wander around the entire middle school (the top floor of the magnet school for gifted kids).
  • * Project was assigned in November. * Starting at the beginning of January, Kiddo began to ask her groupmates to contribute.
  • * She asked them at least two times a week. * She laid out each step that they could do to help.
  • Alt text: Female teacher writing on a classroom chalkboard during a lesson, standing at the front of a school classroom with sunlight streaming through curtains.
  • * Other Friend was glad for the guidance. Former Friend appears to have told Ms. Smith that this was bossy.
  • * Last week (Thursday/Friday?), Former Friend ran crying from the seminar room. * Kiddo: "Ms. Smith, my other groupmates haven't been working." * Ms.
  • Smith told Kiddo that "Former Friend had to edit your mistakes. You've been bossy and taking charge of this project in a way that hurts the other people, that doesn't let anybody else work." Kiddo says, "She basically just brushed me off," and believes Ms.
  • Smith developed this point of view after Former Friend complained to Ms. Smith, but does not know for sure that this happened.
  • school stundent standing at a green classroom chalkboard, turning to speak with two other students during a lesson.
  • * Ms. Smith did not ask Kiddo any questions. * Ms. Smith did not check the edit history.
  • * Never, at any point, did Ms. Smith inquire about Kiddo's experience with this project. * * Tuesday: During the party at the end of the day, Kiddo was in Ms.
  • Smith's space. * Ms. Smith said, "I'm giving out candy to whoever was nice to me." * Everybody else got candy.
  • * Kiddo went up and asked for a piece of candy. * Ms. Smith said, "You owe someone an apology." Five to ten other kids heard Ms.
  • Smith say that. * Kiddo tried to apologize to Uninvolved Third Party. * Ms. Smith said, "You owe Former Friend an apology." * Kiddo asked why.
  • * Ms. Smith didn't explain, and Kiddo * left. Kiddo was the only kid who didn't get candy.
  • To be clear, my review of the entire version history of their google doc demonstrates that Kiddo told me the truth: she did pretty much all the work on this project.
  • Former Friend contributed a couple sources, and maybe ten images, and also frequently deleted and then repasted work that Kiddo did, maybe to make it look like that work should be attributed to them?
  • Other Friend contributed a few images. It was an involved history research project with a good amount of writing and an annotated bibliography.
  • I heard about this, and immediately messaged the teacher, the principal, and the school director (don't ask) to tell them that I'm coming in tomorrow to talk.
  • The kids don't have school; the teachers are prepping for parent teacher conferences. My points tomorrow are the following: 1.
  • Ms. Smith took Former Friend's side without asking Kiddo for her side, and without looking for objective evidence.
  • 2. Unless a student is currently disrupting the class, it is inappropriate to shame a pre-teen in front of her classmates.
  • 3. Requiring one student to apologize to another in front of a bunch of other kids is for kindergartners.
  • It's even less appropriate for 7th graders if it's for a behavior the teacher has neither witnessed nor verified.
  • 4. Ms. Smith should have limited any consequences to a) a private conversation with both students, and b) grades, not public shaming.
  • 5. The whole "you can have candy if you've been nice to me" is wildly inappropriate, independent of everything else.
  • Just imagine if a male teacher had said that, how bad the optics would be. Am I right to be angry about this?
  • I think it's just mortifying for a teen or pre-teen, whose entire personality is based on what other people think of them, to be embarrassed like that in front of their peers.
  • That would have been bad enough even if the teacher were correct about her beliefs about how the group project went down.
  • In this case, she was both cruel and objectively, verifiably wrong. So, am I overreacting? I'm calming myself down so I can be effective and not råde tomorrow, but at this moment, I'm ready to slash some tires and break some knee caps.
  • I'm furious.
  • Same-Department8080 NOR. No advice but how does your kid want to you to handle? Get involved or stay out? Follow their lead
  • CrowRoutine9631 Original Poster's Reply She wanted me to stay out before, when her groupmates weren't helping with the project. We talked it all the way through, and I stayed out. But she's ready for me to intervene with this teacher.
  • Capable_Dark_6177 I absolutely agree with this. Cause like OP said this kid's entire identity is based off of what other kids think about them and if you get too involved, you don't want to embarrass your kid even more. It's kind of one of those lose lose situations. So I would absolutely talk to kiddo first and see how they wanna go about it. And if your kids all in then Momma bear it is.
  • CrowRoutine9631 Original Poster's Reply That was the first thing I did. I even got her permission to call my parents about it, because I wanted their advice.
  • General-Carrot6407 NOR, I'm a middle school teacher and this behavior is not okay. Giving every kid candy but one, especially for the reason listed, is so infantile. She sounds like a nightmare to deal with. Good luck OP
  • CrowRoutine9631 Original Poster's Reply I mostly haven't dealt with her. My kid gets good grades in her class (even if she hates every minute) and doesn't want to rock the boat. But now she's angry.
  • General-Carrot6407 I don't blame her- I was the same way as a student and I'd feel so hurt and confused if this happened to me.
  • CrowRoutine9631 Original Poster's Reply I think she was really wounded. She's in a "I'm too cool for everything" phase that's kind of hilarious, but this really cut her to the quick. She was nearly crying when she told me about it after school today.
  • Norselrish So as a teacher you may know that a child coming home saying something like my teacher gave every kid in class a piece of candy except me is most likely a kid's exagerration and not really an accurate portrayal of the events.
  • CrowRoutine9631 Original Poster's Reply We went over it three times. The story was consistent. And it's just not the kind of thing my kid gets wrong or lies about. (And it fits pretty well in a larger pattern of this teacher's arbitrariness.)
  • CrowRoutine9631 Original Poster's Reply I have no intention of talking to Ms. Smith about any of her other problems! Or mentioning those other reviews (those just confirm what we parents all suspected). I will go in with the version history summary (they can look at the whole thing themselves) and the little timeline of what happened when. I'm going to try to leave Former Friend out as much as possible. From my perspective, that's not my problem. And my kid asked me not to talk to their parents
  • Select_Draw3385 We had one teacher we had to intervene with and it still makes me mad to think about ten years later. And the lesson we learned? Nobody cared about our complained. So yeah. Fun times.
  • CrowRoutine9631 Original Poster's Reply That's something I'm a little worried about. The school hasn't been quick to correct any of her other issues. But I feel like this is so blatant and so wrong ... we'll see. Fingers crossed!

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